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	2018 General Assembly, Saturday Nov. 3, Sunday Nov. 4, and Saturday Nov. 10		2018 General Assembly, Saturday Nov. 3, Sunday Nov. 4, and Saturday Nov. 10

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	==Keynote Speech by ~~Naomy~~ Colvin==		==Keynote Speech by Naomi Colvin==
	:Aaron's Law and Other Unfinished Business		:Aaron's Law and Other Unfinished Business
	:Monopoly companies, such as FB, are scared of being broken up. Pressure though is also coming from governments, who are trying to implace limitations on speech. These are limitations that governments do not want to place themselves, but which they try to get companies to do for them. In the UK, there was a petition to ban FB groups. It is dark time, which can depress us. Aaron Swartz, Lauri Love are displayed as examples. There is an issue of the accused being forced into plea bargains. Ruling of Lauri Love stated that the US could not be trusted. There is an unaccountable and mysterious process of extradition. In the case of Lauri, all of the newspapers came out in support of him. Gary McKinnon also faced a similar ordeal of extradition. The precedent of Lauri has been applied for further cases, hence influencing future extradition cases. Pirates and other activists are to thank for assisting. Aaron's law remains unfinished business. The law proposed two changes to the computer fraud act, such as there should be limits to prosecutors and how people are prosecuted. However, Aaron's law got stuck in the US Congress. This is a problem for everyone. International Cyber Crime Convention mirrors the computer fraud and abuse act. About 20 countries have signed up to the convention so far. We should not give up hope, even though Aaron's law is not going anywhere. There is a problem for security research, when someone is trying to do the right thing and gets in trouble for it. The ban on unauthorized access is also a problem for journalism, as journalists can be accused of computer crime law violations. The case of Kemi Badenoch is discussed as a hypocrisy, as a hacker was not punished because she was a conservative MP in the UK. They call this program Prevent, which is shared by the National Crime Agency.		:Monopoly companies, such as FB, are scared of being broken up. Pressure though is also coming from governments, who are trying to implace limitations on speech. These are limitations that governments do not want to place themselves, but which they try to get companies to do for them. In the UK, there was a petition to ban FB groups. It is dark time, which can depress us. Aaron Swartz, Lauri Love are displayed as examples. There is an issue of the accused being forced into plea bargains. Ruling of Lauri Love stated that the US could not be trusted. There is an unaccountable and mysterious process of extradition. In the case of Lauri, all of the newspapers came out in support of him. Gary McKinnon also faced a similar ordeal of extradition. The precedent of Lauri has been applied for further cases, hence influencing future extradition cases. Pirates and other activists are to thank for assisting. Aaron's law remains unfinished business. The law proposed two changes to the computer fraud act, such as there should be limits to prosecutors and how people are prosecuted. However, Aaron's law got stuck in the US Congress. This is a problem for everyone. International Cyber Crime Convention mirrors the computer fraud and abuse act. About 20 countries have signed up to the convention so far. We should not give up hope, even though Aaron's law is not going anywhere. There is a problem for security research, when someone is trying to do the right thing and gets in trouble for it. The ban on unauthorized access is also a problem for journalism, as journalists can be accused of computer crime law violations. The case of Kemi Badenoch is discussed as a hypocrisy, as a hacker was not punished because she was a conservative MP in the UK. They call this program Prevent, which is shared by the National Crime Agency.

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	==Keynote Speech by ~~Naom~~ Colvin==		==Keynote Speech by Naomy Colvin==
	:Aaron's Law and Other Unfinished Business		:Aaron's Law and Other Unfinished Business
	:Monopoly companies, such as FB, are scared of being broken up. Pressure though is also coming from governments, who are trying to implace limitations on speech. These are limitations that governments do not want to place themselves, but which they try to get companies to do for them. In the UK, there was a petition to ban FB groups. It is dark time, which can depress us. Aaron Swartz, Lauri Love are displayed as examples. There is an issue of the accused being forced into plea bargains. Ruling of Lauri Love stated that the US could not be trusted. There is an unaccountable and mysterious process of extradition. In the case of Lauri, all of the newspapers came out in support of him. Gary McKinnon also faced a similar ordeal of extradition. The precedent of Lauri has been applied for further cases, hence influencing future extradition cases. Pirates and other activists are to thank for assisting. Aaron's law remains unfinished business. The law proposed two changes to the computer fraud act, such as there should be limits to prosecutors and how people are prosecuted. However, Aaron's law got stuck in the US Congress. This is a problem for everyone. International Cyber Crime Convention mirrors the computer fraud and abuse act. About 20 countries have signed up to the convention so far. We should not give up hope, even though Aaron's law is not going anywhere. There is a problem for security research, when someone is trying to do the right thing and gets in trouble for it. The ban on unauthorized access is also a problem for journalism, as journalists can be accused of computer crime law violations. The case of Kemi Badenoch is discussed as a hypocrisy, as a hacker was not punished because she was a conservative MP in the UK. They call this program Prevent, which is shared by the National Crime Agency.		:Monopoly companies, such as FB, are scared of being broken up. Pressure though is also coming from governments, who are trying to implace limitations on speech. These are limitations that governments do not want to place themselves, but which they try to get companies to do for them. In the UK, there was a petition to ban FB groups. It is dark time, which can depress us. Aaron Swartz, Lauri Love are displayed as examples. There is an issue of the accused being forced into plea bargains. Ruling of Lauri Love stated that the US could not be trusted. There is an unaccountable and mysterious process of extradition. In the case of Lauri, all of the newspapers came out in support of him. Gary McKinnon also faced a similar ordeal of extradition. The precedent of Lauri has been applied for further cases, hence influencing future extradition cases. Pirates and other activists are to thank for assisting. Aaron's law remains unfinished business. The law proposed two changes to the computer fraud act, such as there should be limits to prosecutors and how people are prosecuted. However, Aaron's law got stuck in the US Congress. This is a problem for everyone. International Cyber Crime Convention mirrors the computer fraud and abuse act. About 20 countries have signed up to the convention so far. We should not give up hope, even though Aaron's law is not going anywhere. There is a problem for security research, when someone is trying to do the right thing and gets in trouble for it. The ban on unauthorized access is also a problem for journalism, as journalists can be accused of computer crime law violations. The case of Kemi Badenoch is discussed as a hypocrisy, as a hacker was not punished because she was a conservative MP in the UK. They call this program Prevent, which is shared by the National Crime Agency.
	Too many people are being accused under the law, or could be accused under the law, and hence the law should be changed. In the Netherlands they have distinguished between those who are prosecuted based on whether there was some malicious intent. There are several bills that are moving forward in the US and elsewhere about the boundaries of cybersecurity. The revisions are either to change the law or to carve out exceptions to the law. The European Commission is working on whistleblower protections. Germany lacks protections, and there is a need for a wide law to protect whistleblowers. The text surprised people by the amount that it was extensive. There is a broad definition of who gets to claim to be a whistleblower, which is very comprehensive. This may become more contraversial next year when the European Council examines it.		Too many people are being accused under the law, or could be accused under the law, and hence the law should be changed. In the Netherlands they have distinguished between those who are prosecuted based on whether there was some malicious intent. There are several bills that are moving forward in the US and elsewhere about the boundaries of cybersecurity. The revisions are either to change the law or to carve out exceptions to the law. The European Commission is working on whistleblower protections. Germany lacks protections, and there is a need for a wide law to protect whistleblowers. The text surprised people by the amount that it was extensive. There is a broad definition of who gets to claim to be a whistleblower, which is very comprehensive. This may become more contraversial next year when the European Council examines it.
	If you want to help, contact @auerfeld . naomi@auerfeld.com		If you want to help, contact @auerfeld . naomi@auerfeld.com


	==Speech by Marketa Gregorova - Success in Czechia==		==Speech by Marketa Gregorova - Success in Czechia==

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	:Congratulations to all 7 candidates who are now members of the Court of Arbitration.		:Congratulations to all 7 candidates who are now members of the Court of Arbitration.
			:immediately following the GA Stephan Thoni indicated that he did not confirm his nomination and requested to be removed from the court, so there are six members of the CoA.

	===Election of Lay Auditors===		===Election of Lay Auditors===

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	:With 7 candidates, it is proposed that we allow all 7 to be members of the CoA. There are no other proposals. There are no objections to the 7 candidates. Therefore, we accept all 7 candidates. We will vote though on all candidates.		:With 7 candidates, it is proposed that we allow all 7 to be members of the CoA. There are no other proposals. There are no objections to the 7 candidates. Therefore, we accept all 7 candidates. We will vote though on all candidates.
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	:The vote is accepted with 9 votes of yes (8.5 tallied), 4 Abstain, and 0 Nos.		:The vote is accepted with 9 votes of yes (8.5 tallied), 4 Abstain, and 0 Nos.

	:Congratulations to all 7 candidates who are now members of the Court of Arbitration.		:Congratulations to all 7 candidates who are now members of the Court of Arbitration.


	===Election of Lay Auditors===		===Election of Lay Auditors===

Keith: /* Speech by Barret Brown about Pursuance Project https://pursuanceproject.org/ */

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	:How do you argue with those who state NGOs (you) are engaged in human trafficking? Rescuing people is a basic human law, and it is included in treaties. If you see a car accident and don't stop it is a crime. The same thing happens in the sea. Someone is in a state of emergency. Perhaps they fell from a cruiseliner. It doesn't matter why they are in this human situation. You don't ask someone who has been in a car accident how they got there. You bring them to an ambulance.		:How do you argue with those who state NGOs (you) are engaged in human trafficking? Rescuing people is a basic human law, and it is included in treaties. If you see a car accident and don't stop it is a crime. The same thing happens in the sea. Someone is in a state of emergency. Perhaps they fell from a cruiseliner. It doesn't matter why they are in this human situation. You don't ask someone who has been in a car accident how they got there. You bring them to an ambulance.

	==Speech by ~~Barret~~ Brown about Pursuance Project https://pursuanceproject.org/==		==Speech by Barrett Brown about Pursuance Project https://pursuanceproject.org/==
	:Democracy has had to be institutional. There were no other options. Given the trends in the West in our lifetimes, democracy from here on will have to be less institutional. It will be global in character, proceedural. Defined by association, to associate and not associate as one chooses. One can in the modern day, the unique modern day, we can reach out to others wherever they are to find out about our common interests and actually build structures and networks to bring our values into the mainstream and establish them. We have scattered around the planet, havens for liberty, where you are safe from censorship and more. We cannot guarantee that this will continue. Americans are learning this. Establishing these democracies does not mean that they will exist forever. All of these structures are only as strong as the citizens who are holding them up. There is no reason we shouldn't expect that the liberal democracy should exist with a sane structure. Seams are showing and they are obvious that even those in the establishment know that they are broken. Fascists and alt-right have succeeded incredibly such that they have reached the White House. They remind us what the internet can do. The alt right comes from 4 chan, which also gave rise to a left wing movement known as Anonymous. This group started as a trolling group and should not have necessarily turned into an activist group. It became a very exact network, which reached the Arab Spring in Tunisia and serious events. It burned out after its early success. Today it is nothing more than some FB pages. There was nothing holding it up. It had agility, which was a strength, but it had no charter. It disappeared. We engaged in crowdsourcing. We know from 2011-2 the investigations into hidden sectors, that these things are vital. They come about by accident some times, and they disappear. We wondered could we create something that it could maintain strength, incorporate people at an exponential rate.		:Democracy has had to be institutional. There were no other options. Given the trends in the West in our lifetimes, democracy from here on will have to be less institutional. It will be global in character, proceedural. Defined by association, to associate and not associate as one chooses. One can in the modern day, the unique modern day, we can reach out to others wherever they are to find out about our common interests and actually build structures and networks to bring our values into the mainstream and establish them. We have scattered around the planet, havens for liberty, where you are safe from censorship and more. We cannot guarantee that this will continue. Americans are learning this. Establishing these democracies does not mean that they will exist forever. All of these structures are only as strong as the citizens who are holding them up. There is no reason we shouldn't expect that the liberal democracy should exist with a sane structure. Seams are showing and they are obvious that even those in the establishment know that they are broken. Fascists and alt-right have succeeded incredibly such that they have reached the White House. They remind us what the internet can do. The alt right comes from 4 chan, which also gave rise to a left wing movement known as Anonymous. This group started as a trolling group and should not have necessarily turned into an activist group. It became a very exact network, which reached the Arab Spring in Tunisia and serious events. It burned out after its early success. Today it is nothing more than some FB pages. There was nothing holding it up. It had agility, which was a strength, but it had no charter. It disappeared. We engaged in crowdsourcing. We know from 2011-2 the investigations into hidden sectors, that these things are vital. They come about by accident some times, and they disappear. We wondered could we create something that it could maintain strength, incorporate people at an exponential rate.
	:Whoever solves this problem will be dominant and have the lead. It is important that we do this, because we have a short amount of time. We are not the only ones talking about creating viable, expanding internet activities. Pursuance is an organization based in the US that I founded. We have a number of interesting people involved. Birgitta Johnsdotter, Naomi Colvin, John Keriack? who named the CIA secret torture program and went to jail, academics, prominent lawyer Jay Lederman, Raymond Johansen, and a great core team. Most of the people are working for free. We recently raised about 40000 dollars through Kickstarter. Everyone who opposes the drug war, the police state, they may disagree on a number of other issues, but they collaborate to decide on how the movement can get back on its feat. Pursuance will be a visualized room for civic engagement. You will have a piece of software, once you are accepted into the system. It is an open source system.		:Whoever solves this problem will be dominant and have the lead. It is important that we do this, because we have a short amount of time. We are not the only ones talking about creating viable, expanding internet activities. Pursuance is an organization based in the US that I founded. We have a number of interesting people involved. Birgitta Johnsdotter, Naomi Colvin, John Keriack? who named the CIA secret torture program and went to jail, academics, prominent lawyer Jay Lederman, Raymond Johansen, and a great core team. Most of the people are working for free. We recently raised about 40000 dollars through Kickstarter. Everyone who opposes the drug war, the police state, they may disagree on a number of other issues, but they collaborate to decide on how the movement can get back on its feat. Pursuance will be a visualized room for civic engagement. You will have a piece of software, once you are accepted into the system. It is an open source system.
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	:Since this is not being applied to anyone, there is no question of power or authority. The power is entirely with the individual user. You have over time Pursuances that are finding their way forward, figuring out how to facilitate when internet is cut off, whatever the issue is, environmental regulation, etc. People will have the opportunity to experiment and grow. Each of these individual Pursuances on their own, that would be good enough. The great thing about this would be your group would be able to work in other groups. Because of these barriers, these things don't happen. Imagine if every activist group knew what every other activist group was doing. They could collaborate, maintain independence. It would be a different world. Pursuance will be that structure if you are starting a campaign or a political organization. You can develop this collaboration in hours rather than months.		:Since this is not being applied to anyone, there is no question of power or authority. The power is entirely with the individual user. You have over time Pursuances that are finding their way forward, figuring out how to facilitate when internet is cut off, whatever the issue is, environmental regulation, etc. People will have the opportunity to experiment and grow. Each of these individual Pursuances on their own, that would be good enough. The great thing about this would be your group would be able to work in other groups. Because of these barriers, these things don't happen. Imagine if every activist group knew what every other activist group was doing. They could collaborate, maintain independence. It would be a different world. Pursuance will be that structure if you are starting a campaign or a political organization. You can develop this collaboration in hours rather than months.
	:The founder of the Pirate Party once said something interesting, Rich Falvinge. Your problem is not that you don't have people, it's that people want to work for you for free, but you won't let them. The people haven't been brought in. The people have to be allowed to find others. We have to have all of these brick and morter groups in the same place. We need institutions and procedures all asking a universal space to go their own way, but to facilitate what we have done. :Historically we could not be having this conversation. I could not be here in the US on probation and unable to leave and still be able to address foreign members of a political party. It's obvious that Twitter and many of these things did not exist. Obvious things can be overlooked, once we get comfortable with them. We risk losing sight of what it really is. You loose your ability. For the most part human history was largely the same. The people you are collaborating with... The French long ago if they had telepathic abilities to communicate with the other side of the world, it would have changed the world. The fact that geography is no longer a limiting factor, that is the largest thing to change society. We will only later realize how much change. There is a lag between technology and people who use it. In 2018 it is time for people in the Pirate society to take the next step and help us get the Pursuance project established around the world.		:The founder of the Pirate Party once said something interesting, Rich Falvinge. Your problem is not that you don't have people, it's that people want to work for you for free, but you won't let them. The people haven't been brought in. The people have to be allowed to find others. We have to have all of these brick and morter groups in the same place. We need institutions and procedures all asking a universal space to go their own way, but to facilitate what we have done. :Historically we could not be having this conversation. I could not be here in the US on probation and unable to leave and still be able to address foreign members of a political party. It's obvious that Twitter and many of these things did not exist. Obvious things can be overlooked, once we get comfortable with them. We risk losing sight of what it really is. You loose your ability. For the most part human history was largely the same. The people you are collaborating with... The French long ago if they had telepathic abilities to communicate with the other side of the world, it would have changed the world. The fact that geography is no longer a limiting factor, that is the largest thing to change society. We will only later realize how much change. There is a lag between technology and people who use it. In 2018 it is time for people in the Pirate society to take the next step and help us get the Pursuance project established around the world.
	:Institutional democracy is not going anywhere, but it is not the future. Democracy that matters over time was created for us without our consent. Proceedural democracy over time as we bring in more people, who didn't look into the problem, as we expand our base of support... that will become more powerful. I'm talking about real power to prevent these criminal agencies that currently control most of the globe, that will keep them more in check. This is an age where the not so greats are coming together. It is hard to consider how nation states can be held to account. It is hard to imagine. Pursuance is about to update its website with more information. Anyone who has any questions, please contact me at ~~barretbrown~~@~~protonmail~~.com ~~barretbrown@pursuanceproject.net~~		:Institutional democracy is not going anywhere, but it is not the future. Democracy that matters over time was created for us without our consent. Proceedural democracy over time as we bring in more people, who didn't look into the problem, as we expand our base of support... that will become more powerful. I'm talking about real power to prevent these criminal agencies that currently control most of the globe, that will keep them more in check. This is an age where the not so greats are coming together. It is hard to consider how nation states can be held to account. It is hard to imagine. Pursuance is about to update its website with more information. Anyone who has any questions, please contact me at barrettbrown@Protonmail.com

	:Question about when it will be ready. Answer is I'm not sure, because we won't release until we are absolutely ready. It should be done next year.		:Question about when it will be ready. Answer is I'm not sure, because we won't release until we are absolutely ready. It should be done next year.

Keith: /* Speech by Barret Brown about Pursuance Project https://pursuanceproject.org/ */

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	==Speech by Barret Brown about Pursuance Project https://pursuanceproject.org/==		==Speech by Barret Brown about Pursuance Project https://pursuanceproject.org/==
	:Democracy has had to be institutional. There were no other options. Given the trends in the West in our lifetimes, democracy from here on will have to be less institutional. It will be global in character, proceedural. Defined by association, to associate and not associate as one chooses. One can in the modern day, the unique modern day, we can reach out to others wherever they are to find out about our common interests and actually build structures and networks to bring our values into the mainstream and establish them. We have scattered around the planet, havens for liberty, where you are safe from censorship and more. We cannot guarantee that this will continue. Americans are learning this. Establishing these democracies does not mean that they will exist forever. All of these structures are only as strong as the citizens who are holding them up. There is no reason we shouldn't expect that the liberal democracy should exist with a sane structure. Seams are showing and they are obvious that even those in the establishment know that they are broken. Fascists and alt-right have succeeded incredibly such that they have reached the White House. They remind us what the internet can do. The alt right comes from 4 chan, which also gave rise to a left wing movement known as Anonymous. This group started as a trolling group and should not have necessarily turned into an activist group. It became a very exact network, which reached the Arab Spring in Tunisia and serious events. It burned out after its early success. Today it is nothing more than some FB pages. There was nothing holding it up. It had agility, which was a strength, but it had no charter. It disappeared. We engaged in crowdsourcing. We know from 2011-2 the investigations into hidden sectors, that these things are vital. They come about by accident some times, and they disappear. We wondered could we create something that it could maintain strength, incorporate people at an exponential rate.		:Democracy has had to be institutional. There were no other options. Given the trends in the West in our lifetimes, democracy from here on will have to be less institutional. It will be global in character, proceedural. Defined by association, to associate and not associate as one chooses. One can in the modern day, the unique modern day, we can reach out to others wherever they are to find out about our common interests and actually build structures and networks to bring our values into the mainstream and establish them. We have scattered around the planet, havens for liberty, where you are safe from censorship and more. We cannot guarantee that this will continue. Americans are learning this. Establishing these democracies does not mean that they will exist forever. All of these structures are only as strong as the citizens who are holding them up. There is no reason we shouldn't expect that the liberal democracy should exist with a sane structure. Seams are showing and they are obvious that even those in the establishment know that they are broken. Fascists and alt-right have succeeded incredibly such that they have reached the White House. They remind us what the internet can do. The alt right comes from 4 chan, which also gave rise to a left wing movement known as Anonymous. This group started as a trolling group and should not have necessarily turned into an activist group. It became a very exact network, which reached the Arab Spring in Tunisia and serious events. It burned out after its early success. Today it is nothing more than some FB pages. There was nothing holding it up. It had agility, which was a strength, but it had no charter. It disappeared. We engaged in crowdsourcing. We know from 2011-2 the investigations into hidden sectors, that these things are vital. They come about by accident some times, and they disappear. We wondered could we create something that it could maintain strength, incorporate people at an exponential rate.
	Whoever solves this problem will be dominant and have the lead. It is important that we do this, because we have a short amount of time. We are not the only ones talking about creating viable, expanding internet activities. Pursuance is an organization based in the US that I founded. We have a number of interesting people involved. Birgitta Johnsdotter, Naomi Colvin, John Keriack? who named the CIA secret torture program and went to jail, academics, prominent lawyer Jay Lederman, Raymond Johansen, and a great core team. Most of the people are working for free. We recently raised about 40000 dollars through Kickstarter. Everyone who opposes the drug war, the police state, they may disagree on a number of other issues, but they collaborate to decide on how the movement can get back on its feat. Pursuance will be a visualized room for civic engagement. You will have a piece of software, once you are accepted into the system. It is an open source system.		:Whoever solves this problem will be dominant and have the lead. It is important that we do this, because we have a short amount of time. We are not the only ones talking about creating viable, expanding internet activities. Pursuance is an organization based in the US that I founded. We have a number of interesting people involved. Birgitta Johnsdotter, Naomi Colvin, John Keriack? who named the CIA secret torture program and went to jail, academics, prominent lawyer Jay Lederman, Raymond Johansen, and a great core team. Most of the people are working for free. We recently raised about 40000 dollars through Kickstarter. Everyone who opposes the drug war, the police state, they may disagree on a number of other issues, but they collaborate to decide on how the movement can get back on its feat. Pursuance will be a visualized room for civic engagement. You will have a piece of software, once you are accepted into the system. It is an open source system.
	The strength of this process is the ability for people with shared ideas all to join a shared sector and slowly start building these networks that will allow us to move forward. We have had 25 applicants. Of these most will get in. They will respond in a paragraph answer, and accepted unless they write something obscure. This number will expand, as each will bring in new people, and it will thus expand exponentially.		:The strength of this process is the ability for people with shared ideas all to join a shared sector and slowly start building these networks that will allow us to move forward. We have had 25 applicants. Of these most will get in. They will respond in a paragraph answer, and accepted unless they write something obscure. This number will expand, as each will bring in new people, and it will thus expand exponentially.
	Let's discuss Redit. These were early adapaters in 2006, a subset of people. They were relatively well informed and with good technical knowledge. They are a demographic that is more suited than a random sample. This becomes one of the greatest sources of information. People are commenting and vetting things in real time. It allows the most useful comments to float to the top. Over time the criteria for joining changes, and the population changes. The later users change. The barriers decrease to include more people from around the world. I considered how can we create something that has the same values but allows it to bring in more people over time. How can we do this without worrying about what will happen in five years time. There are a number of answers. One is that we hand selected the first users. We can expect that the people that they bring on will have high values. Even if that doesn't happen, if we succumb to the realities of mass mobilization, with suddenly alt-right and deranged, that is not a problem for Pursuance. You are not encumbered by the totality of whose there.		:Let's discuss Redit. These were early adapaters in 2006, a subset of people. They were relatively well informed and with good technical knowledge. They are a demographic that is more suited than a random sample. This becomes one of the greatest sources of information. People are commenting and vetting things in real time. It allows the most useful comments to float to the top. Over time the criteria for joining changes, and the population changes. The later users change. The barriers decrease to include more people from around the world. I considered how can we create something that has the same values but allows it to bring in more people over time. How can we do this without worrying about what will happen in five years time. There are a number of answers. One is that we hand selected the first users. We can expect that the people that they bring on will have high values. Even if that doesn't happen, if we succumb to the realities of mass mobilization, with suddenly alt-right and deranged, that is not a problem for Pursuance. You are not encumbered by the totality of whose there.
	In an amorphous grouping of people you can't make value judgments in a way to prevent such people from coming in. Instead you have operators who are keeping the thing from becoming a cesspool. It is a more threatening danger. It is a problem. In the 1960s the civil rights movements came together, the way they came together is the reason that they fell down. A great deal of Pursuance, besides the process democracy, is reducing these problems. Freedom of association allows individuals to build their own structures, decide how this organization will govern and grow. It eliminates who has power and why. All of these elements have influence. Will it be a pseudo democracy? What will they vote on? All of these things are left to the management. No one is ever part of something that they don't entirely understand. The facility and access to create their own institutions, make them more democratic.		:In an amorphous grouping of people you can't make value judgments in a way to prevent such people from coming in. Instead you have operators who are keeping the thing from becoming a cesspool. It is a more threatening danger. It is a problem. In the 1960s the civil rights movements came together, the way they came together is the reason that they fell down. A great deal of Pursuance, besides the process democracy, is reducing these problems. Freedom of association allows individuals to build their own structures, decide how this organization will govern and grow. It eliminates who has power and why. All of these elements have influence. Will it be a pseudo democracy? What will they vote on? All of these things are left to the management. No one is ever part of something that they don't entirely understand. The facility and access to create their own institutions, make them more democratic.
	Since this is not being applied to anyone, there is no question of power or authority. The power is entirely with the individual user. You have over time Pursuances that are finding their way forward, figuring out how to facilitate when internet is cut off, whatever the issue is, environmental regulation, etc. People will have the opportunity to experiment and grow. Each of these individual Pursuances on their own, that would be good enough. The great thing about this would be your group would be able to work in other groups. Because of these barriers, these things don't happen. Imagine if every activist group knew what every other activist group was doing. They could collaborate, maintain independence. It would be a different world. Pursuance will be that structure if you are starting a campaign or a political organization. You can develop this collaboration in hours rather than months.		:Since this is not being applied to anyone, there is no question of power or authority. The power is entirely with the individual user. You have over time Pursuances that are finding their way forward, figuring out how to facilitate when internet is cut off, whatever the issue is, environmental regulation, etc. People will have the opportunity to experiment and grow. Each of these individual Pursuances on their own, that would be good enough. The great thing about this would be your group would be able to work in other groups. Because of these barriers, these things don't happen. Imagine if every activist group knew what every other activist group was doing. They could collaborate, maintain independence. It would be a different world. Pursuance will be that structure if you are starting a campaign or a political organization. You can develop this collaboration in hours rather than months.
	The founder of the Pirate Party once said something interesting, Rich Falvinge. Your problem is not that you don't have people, it's that people want to work for you for free, but you won't let them. The people haven't been brought in. The people have to be allowed to find others. We have to have all of these brick and morter groups in the same place. We need institutions and procedures all asking a universal space to go their own way, but to facilitate what we have done. Historically we could not be having this conversation. I could not be here in the US on probation and unable to leave and still be able to address foreign members of a political party. It's obvious that Twitter and many of these things did not exist. Obvious things can be overlooked, once we get comfortable with them. We risk losing sight of what it really is. You loose your ability. For the most part human history was largely the same. The people you are collaborating with... The French long ago if they had telepathic abilities to communicate with the other side of the world, it would have changed the world. The fact that geography is no longer a limiting factor, that is the largest thing to change society. We will only later realize how much change. There is a lag between technology and people who use it. In 2018 it is time for people in the Pirate society to take the next step and help us get the Pursuance project established around the world.		:The founder of the Pirate Party once said something interesting, Rich Falvinge. Your problem is not that you don't have people, it's that people want to work for you for free, but you won't let them. The people haven't been brought in. The people have to be allowed to find others. We have to have all of these brick and morter groups in the same place. We need institutions and procedures all asking a universal space to go their own way, but to facilitate what we have done. :Historically we could not be having this conversation. I could not be here in the US on probation and unable to leave and still be able to address foreign members of a political party. It's obvious that Twitter and many of these things did not exist. Obvious things can be overlooked, once we get comfortable with them. We risk losing sight of what it really is. You loose your ability. For the most part human history was largely the same. The people you are collaborating with... The French long ago if they had telepathic abilities to communicate with the other side of the world, it would have changed the world. The fact that geography is no longer a limiting factor, that is the largest thing to change society. We will only later realize how much change. There is a lag between technology and people who use it. In 2018 it is time for people in the Pirate society to take the next step and help us get the Pursuance project established around the world.
	Institutional democracy is not going anywhere, but it is not the future. Democracy that matters over time was created for us without our consent. Proceedural democracy over time as we bring in more people, who didn't look into the problem, as we expand our base of support... that will become more powerful. I'm talking about real power to prevent these criminal agencies that currently control most of the globe, that will keep them more in check. This is an age where the not so greats are coming together. It is hard to consider how nation states can be held to account. It is hard to imagine. Pursuance is about to update its website with more information. Anyone who has any questions, please contact me at barretbrown@protonmail.com barretbrown@pursuanceproject.net		:Institutional democracy is not going anywhere, but it is not the future. Democracy that matters over time was created for us without our consent. Proceedural democracy over time as we bring in more people, who didn't look into the problem, as we expand our base of support... that will become more powerful. I'm talking about real power to prevent these criminal agencies that currently control most of the globe, that will keep them more in check. This is an age where the not so greats are coming together. It is hard to consider how nation states can be held to account. It is hard to imagine. Pursuance is about to update its website with more information. Anyone who has any questions, please contact me at barretbrown@protonmail.com barretbrown@pursuanceproject.net

	~~Question about when it will be ready. Answer is I'm not sure, because we won't release until we are absolutely ready. It should be done next year.~~
	~~Question about is there a way to get back the internet. Answer is that we need to use the infrastructure.~~
	~~Our core team over time will still be bringing in individuals over time, but the vast number will be other individuals who bring in others. Over time though our agency diminishes.~~

			:Question about when it will be ready. Answer is I'm not sure, because we won't release until we are absolutely ready. It should be done next year.
			:Question about is there a way to get back the internet. Answer is that we need to use the infrastructure.
			:Our core team over time will still be bringing in individuals over time, but the vast number will be other individuals who bring in others. Over time though our agency diminishes.

	==To Be Continued on Nov. 10, 2018 at 10:00==		==To Be Continued on Nov. 10, 2018 at 10:00==

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	:What is your experience with Frontex? He has several experiences with Frontex forces, most of whom were quite hostile. It is supposed to be the doorstep protector of Europe. It is a force to prevent people from coming to Europe.		:What is your experience with Frontex? He has several experiences with Frontex forces, most of whom were quite hostile. It is supposed to be the doorstep protector of Europe. It is a force to prevent people from coming to Europe.
	:How do you argue with those who state NGOs (you) are engaged in human trafficking? Rescuing people is a basic human law, and it is included in treaties. If you see a car accident and don't stop it is a crime. The same thing happens in the sea. Someone is in a state of emergency. Perhaps they fell from a cruiseliner. It doesn't matter why they are in this human situation. You don't ask someone who has been in a car accident how they got there. You bring them to an ambulance.		:How do you argue with those who state NGOs (you) are engaged in human trafficking? Rescuing people is a basic human law, and it is included in treaties. If you see a car accident and don't stop it is a crime. The same thing happens in the sea. Someone is in a state of emergency. Perhaps they fell from a cruiseliner. It doesn't matter why they are in this human situation. You don't ask someone who has been in a car accident how they got there. You bring them to an ambulance.

			===Speech by Adam Wolf - " 'Cemetery Mediterranean Sea'; EU's responsibilities and opportunities"===
			*Prior to the speech thanks made by Chairperson Guillaume Saouli thanking outgoing board member Thomas Gaul for his service to the board.

			:Adam is a captain of rescue vessels around the world. He is a journalist and a sailor to help people from drowning and writing and talking about it.
			:There are certain routes that are deadly traps and hundreds die daily in floating coffins. Boats are often shipped in from China. Many must donate organs and undergo horrors. Many state if you bring me back, I would rather die.
			:Many political parties are voting to not prevent this.
			:Pirates need to work to make safe harbors. We mus share. Europe's future is Africa. We are neighbors, and there has to be integration. Europe cannot simply benefit from Africa's wealth without investing in local infrastructure. We produce refugees everyday.
			:We should get our own ship and name it after our NGO. He suggests fundraising to save these poor souls.
			:We are getting stronger and we are many. We should show our Pirate power and what it can bring.
			:At the UN we need to declare in a loud and public way that we are internationalists. We are not supporting the idea of national states. We need to unite and declare that everyone is the same. Everyone counts.
			:Civil rescue organizations were left with their own boats. They brought people ashore. The Maltese government did a mean trick and declared registration papers not valid to stop the boats. For a long time there was no possibility to save anyone. There are now two boats out there, and one more boat is on the way. They can only do so much. There is a requirement to save people and bring them ashore. You need to bring them in to a safe harbor, which is a place where people are not in danger of torture, death, etc. It is a legal definition. The Maltese violated these international treaties and said the boats were illegal.
			:What is your experience with Frontex? He has several experiences with Frontex forces, most of whom were quite hostile. It is supposed to be the doorstep protector of Europe. It is a force to prevent people from coming to Europe.
			:How do you argue with those who state NGOs (you) are engaged in human trafficking? Rescuing people is a basic human law, and it is included in treaties. If you see a car accident and don't stop it is a crime. The same thing happens in the sea. Someone is in a state of emergency. Perhaps they fell from a cruiseliner. It doesn't matter why they are in this human situation. You don't ask someone who has been in a car accident how they got there. You bring them to an ambulance.

			==Speech by Barret Brown about Pursuance Project https://pursuanceproject.org/==
			:Democracy has had to be institutional. There were no other options. Given the trends in the West in our lifetimes, democracy from here on will have to be less institutional. It will be global in character, proceedural. Defined by association, to associate and not associate as one chooses. One can in the modern day, the unique modern day, we can reach out to others wherever they are to find out about our common interests and actually build structures and networks to bring our values into the mainstream and establish them. We have scattered around the planet, havens for liberty, where you are safe from censorship and more. We cannot guarantee that this will continue. Americans are learning this. Establishing these democracies does not mean that they will exist forever. All of these structures are only as strong as the citizens who are holding them up. There is no reason we shouldn't expect that the liberal democracy should exist with a sane structure. Seams are showing and they are obvious that even those in the establishment know that they are broken. Fascists and alt-right have succeeded incredibly such that they have reached the White House. They remind us what the internet can do. The alt right comes from 4 chan, which also gave rise to a left wing movement known as Anonymous. This group started as a trolling group and should not have necessarily turned into an activist group. It became a very exact network, which reached the Arab Spring in Tunisia and serious events. It burned out after its early success. Today it is nothing more than some FB pages. There was nothing holding it up. It had agility, which was a strength, but it had no charter. It disappeared. We engaged in crowdsourcing. We know from 2011-2 the investigations into hidden sectors, that these things are vital. They come about by accident some times, and they disappear. We wondered could we create something that it could maintain strength, incorporate people at an exponential rate.
			Whoever solves this problem will be dominant and have the lead. It is important that we do this, because we have a short amount of time. We are not the only ones talking about creating viable, expanding internet activities. Pursuance is an organization based in the US that I founded. We have a number of interesting people involved. Birgitta Johnsdotter, Naomi Colvin, John Keriack? who named the CIA secret torture program and went to jail, academics, prominent lawyer Jay Lederman, Raymond Johansen, and a great core team. Most of the people are working for free. We recently raised about 40000 dollars through Kickstarter. Everyone who opposes the drug war, the police state, they may disagree on a number of other issues, but they collaborate to decide on how the movement can get back on its feat. Pursuance will be a visualized room for civic engagement. You will have a piece of software, once you are accepted into the system. It is an open source system.
			The strength of this process is the ability for people with shared ideas all to join a shared sector and slowly start building these networks that will allow us to move forward. We have had 25 applicants. Of these most will get in. They will respond in a paragraph answer, and accepted unless they write something obscure. This number will expand, as each will bring in new people, and it will thus expand exponentially.
			Let's discuss Redit. These were early adapaters in 2006, a subset of people. They were relatively well informed and with good technical knowledge. They are a demographic that is more suited than a random sample. This becomes one of the greatest sources of information. People are commenting and vetting things in real time. It allows the most useful comments to float to the top. Over time the criteria for joining changes, and the population changes. The later users change. The barriers decrease to include more people from around the world. I considered how can we create something that has the same values but allows it to bring in more people over time. How can we do this without worrying about what will happen in five years time. There are a number of answers. One is that we hand selected the first users. We can expect that the people that they bring on will have high values. Even if that doesn't happen, if we succumb to the realities of mass mobilization, with suddenly alt-right and deranged, that is not a problem for Pursuance. You are not encumbered by the totality of whose there.
			In an amorphous grouping of people you can't make value judgments in a way to prevent such people from coming in. Instead you have operators who are keeping the thing from becoming a cesspool. It is a more threatening danger. It is a problem. In the 1960s the civil rights movements came together, the way they came together is the reason that they fell down. A great deal of Pursuance, besides the process democracy, is reducing these problems. Freedom of association allows individuals to build their own structures, decide how this organization will govern and grow. It eliminates who has power and why. All of these elements have influence. Will it be a pseudo democracy? What will they vote on? All of these things are left to the management. No one is ever part of something that they don't entirely understand. The facility and access to create their own institutions, make them more democratic.
			Since this is not being applied to anyone, there is no question of power or authority. The power is entirely with the individual user. You have over time Pursuances that are finding their way forward, figuring out how to facilitate when internet is cut off, whatever the issue is, environmental regulation, etc. People will have the opportunity to experiment and grow. Each of these individual Pursuances on their own, that would be good enough. The great thing about this would be your group would be able to work in other groups. Because of these barriers, these things don't happen. Imagine if every activist group knew what every other activist group was doing. They could collaborate, maintain independence. It would be a different world. Pursuance will be that structure if you are starting a campaign or a political organization. You can develop this collaboration in hours rather than months.
			The founder of the Pirate Party once said something interesting, Rich Falvinge. Your problem is not that you don't have people, it's that people want to work for you for free, but you won't let them. The people haven't been brought in. The people have to be allowed to find others. We have to have all of these brick and morter groups in the same place. We need institutions and procedures all asking a universal space to go their own way, but to facilitate what we have done. Historically we could not be having this conversation. I could not be here in the US on probation and unable to leave and still be able to address foreign members of a political party. It's obvious that Twitter and many of these things did not exist. Obvious things can be overlooked, once we get comfortable with them. We risk losing sight of what it really is. You loose your ability. For the most part human history was largely the same. The people you are collaborating with... The French long ago if they had telepathic abilities to communicate with the other side of the world, it would have changed the world. The fact that geography is no longer a limiting factor, that is the largest thing to change society. We will only later realize how much change. There is a lag between technology and people who use it. In 2018 it is time for people in the Pirate society to take the next step and help us get the Pursuance project established around the world.
			Institutional democracy is not going anywhere, but it is not the future. Democracy that matters over time was created for us without our consent. Proceedural democracy over time as we bring in more people, who didn't look into the problem, as we expand our base of support... that will become more powerful. I'm talking about real power to prevent these criminal agencies that currently control most of the globe, that will keep them more in check. This is an age where the not so greats are coming together. It is hard to consider how nation states can be held to account. It is hard to imagine. Pursuance is about to update its website with more information. Anyone who has any questions, please contact me at barretbrown@protonmail.com barretbrown@pursuanceproject.net

			Question about when it will be ready. Answer is I'm not sure, because we won't release until we are absolutely ready. It should be done next year.
			Question about is there a way to get back the internet. Answer is that we need to use the infrastructure.
			Our core team over time will still be bringing in individuals over time, but the vast number will be other individuals who bring in others. Over time though our agency diminishes.

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